1 00:00:05,180 --> 00:00:03,439 thanks for staying up late thanks 2 00:00:08,450 --> 00:00:05,190 especially to John Alexander who first 3 00:00:10,370 --> 00:00:08,460 shared about the Society of scientific 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:10,380 exploration with me at an X conference 5 00:00:14,810 --> 00:00:12,450 in Washington DC some years ago and said 6 00:00:16,970 --> 00:00:14,820 you might fit him better there at the 7 00:00:19,849 --> 00:00:16,980 SSE than here with the crazies 8 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:19,859 so thanks John for that and thanks for 9 00:00:22,970 --> 00:00:21,090 everybody for being here before I start 10 00:00:25,310 --> 00:00:22,980 I'm curious by show of hands how many 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:25,320 people in here watched or even heard of 12 00:00:30,580 --> 00:00:27,930 the citizens hearing on UFO disclosure 13 00:00:33,830 --> 00:00:30,590 that was held in Washington DC in May 14 00:00:37,119 --> 00:00:33,840 2013 so that's a little over a third of 15 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:37,129 the room how many people have read or 16 00:00:44,630 --> 00:00:39,840 attended to anything dr. Steven Greer 17 00:00:45,950 --> 00:00:44,640 has ever said or done okay a different 18 00:00:47,810 --> 00:00:45,960 kind of group of people interesting 19 00:00:49,970 --> 00:00:47,820 overlap dr. Greer was one of the 20 00:00:53,060 --> 00:00:49,980 witnesses who came to the citizens 21 00:00:55,310 --> 00:00:53,070 hearing and testified under oath that he 22 00:00:57,380 --> 00:00:55,320 had been meeting with this dr. Moran and 23 00:00:58,760 --> 00:00:57,390 that will be the core of the tale but 24 00:01:00,830 --> 00:00:58,770 it'll also be a little bit of my 25 00:01:02,599 --> 00:01:00,840 personal history people ask me how did 26 00:01:03,889 --> 00:01:02,609 you get her certain UFOs and and I 27 00:01:06,980 --> 00:01:03,899 thought about that and it actually 28 00:01:08,510 --> 00:01:06,990 started when I was in high school I was 29 00:01:12,609 --> 00:01:08,520 playing around with lasers and Holograms 30 00:01:14,690 --> 00:01:12,619 in 1973-74 I built a laser out of a kit 31 00:01:16,340 --> 00:01:14,700 displayed a hologram at a science fair 32 00:01:19,010 --> 00:01:16,350 and started to win on all these awards 33 00:01:21,530 --> 00:01:19,020 from the Air Force the army and one of 34 00:01:23,929 --> 00:01:21,540 the awards included a trip to 35 00:01:26,210 --> 00:01:23,939 wright-patterson Air Force Base in 1974 36 00:01:27,499 --> 00:01:26,220 I was in New Albany Indiana just a 37 00:01:29,330 --> 00:01:27,509 little north of Louisville Kentucky 38 00:01:31,190 --> 00:01:29,340 that's about two hours away up there and 39 00:01:33,499 --> 00:01:31,200 this is their website from a couple 40 00:01:35,569 --> 00:01:33,509 years ago for the science fair program 41 00:01:37,010 --> 00:01:35,579 they're still doing it sending Air Force 42 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:37,020 personnel out to look at what high 43 00:01:42,620 --> 00:01:39,810 school kids are doing at science fairs 44 00:01:45,139 --> 00:01:42,630 anyone know what their mascot looks like 45 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:45,149 for the Air Force's science fair program 46 00:01:53,359 --> 00:01:47,970 anybody involved in this at all here he 47 00:01:56,510 --> 00:01:53,369 is wright-patterson Air Force occasional 48 00:01:58,370 --> 00:01:56,520 outreach office I wonder if he was 49 00:02:00,319 --> 00:01:58,380 flying the Wright brothers plane there 50 00:02:01,940 --> 00:02:00,329 and their mission statements kind of 51 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:01,950 interesting our goal is to be the best 52 00:02:06,289 --> 00:02:03,810 one-stop resource for encouragement 53 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:06,299 enhancement of K through 12 science math 54 00:02:12,700 --> 00:02:08,610 and technology education throughout the 55 00:02:16,090 --> 00:02:12,710 Air Force the world and beyond 56 00:02:18,130 --> 00:02:16,100 so they apparently have a sense of humor 57 00:02:22,060 --> 00:02:18,140 when I am told a friend of mine in 58 00:02:24,700 --> 00:02:22,070 Scouting an adult advisor just is about 59 00:02:25,870 --> 00:02:24,710 10 years older than me as all then I was 60 00:02:28,270 --> 00:02:25,880 headed up to wright-patterson Air Force 61 00:02:30,190 --> 00:02:28,280 Base for this he said to me in 1974 Oh 62 00:02:33,250 --> 00:02:30,200 be sure to ask the Air Force guys about 63 00:02:36,250 --> 00:02:33,260 the UFO and hangar 18 so at the age of 64 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:36,260 16 I did and that's another story I'll 65 00:02:39,490 --> 00:02:37,210 tell you later 66 00:02:41,380 --> 00:02:39,500 and you'll see here that I did indeed 67 00:02:45,250 --> 00:02:41,390 get the let's even make the laser 68 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:45,260 pointer work the all-expenses-paid tour 69 00:02:48,490 --> 00:02:47,330 of the Air Force Museum at 70 00:02:49,810 --> 00:02:48,500 wright-patterson Air Force Base 71 00:02:52,210 --> 00:02:49,820 I actually I have no memories of 72 00:02:53,620 --> 00:02:52,220 anything exciting that happened on that 73 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:53,630 trip but I don't remember most of high 74 00:02:57,640 --> 00:02:54,730 school either 75 00:03:00,250 --> 00:02:57,650 after that I earned a BS in marketing at 76 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:00,260 IU I worked for an NBC affiliate did a 77 00:03:04,930 --> 00:03:02,210 little freelance work for ESPN went on 78 00:03:08,290 --> 00:03:04,940 to get an MBA in finance at Purdue then 79 00:03:10,570 --> 00:03:08,300 back to IU for a PhD in mass comm I got 80 00:03:12,250 --> 00:03:10,580 a few NAB research grants presented at a 81 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:12,260 few conferences including the American 82 00:03:17,290 --> 00:03:14,330 Psychological Association so I had a 83 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:17,300 fairly decent career in academia shhhhht 84 00:03:20,590 --> 00:03:18,770 a book called broadcast and cable 85 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:20,600 selling or in tenure as an associate 86 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:23,210 professor marketing resigned 2:10 here 87 00:03:28,540 --> 00:03:25,570 anyone else in here resigned tenure 88 00:03:30,850 --> 00:03:28,550 really we need to form a support group 89 00:03:32,770 --> 00:03:30,860 later or something on it it's been 20 90 00:03:34,590 --> 00:03:32,780 years and I think I'm still and some 91 00:03:39,550 --> 00:03:34,600 sort of cognitive dissonance about it 92 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:39,560 was a pioneer and online MBA programs I 93 00:03:42,700 --> 00:03:41,090 started doing some work with the 94 00:03:44,530 --> 00:03:42,710 University of Chicago that created a 95 00:03:47,890 --> 00:03:44,540 kind of best of the best of an online 96 00:03:50,260 --> 00:03:47,900 MBA back in 1999 when we were still 97 00:03:52,660 --> 00:03:50,270 worried about the limitations of 56k 98 00:03:55,300 --> 00:03:52,670 dial-up modems for online education that 99 00:03:57,910 --> 00:03:55,310 was a limiting factor back then and then 100 00:04:00,460 --> 00:03:57,920 I got involved in after I resigned 101 00:04:02,860 --> 00:04:00,470 tenured and considered myself retired 102 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:02,870 while my wife considered me unemployed 103 00:04:07,180 --> 00:04:04,970 that kind of awkward transitional phase 104 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:07,190 between retirement and unemployment 105 00:04:11,650 --> 00:04:09,290 started fooling around with politics and 106 00:04:16,060 --> 00:04:11,660 in 2008 I ran for Congress as a 107 00:04:18,940 --> 00:04:16,070 libertarian and in the first District 108 00:04:20,140 --> 00:04:18,950 there in Utah I called for congressional 109 00:04:22,690 --> 00:04:20,150 legislation to protect whistleblowers 110 00:04:24,940 --> 00:04:22,700 we've been persecuting whistleblowers 111 00:04:25,810 --> 00:04:24,950 the 4th the state's kind of complicit in 112 00:04:28,750 --> 00:04:25,820 that I think we've 113 00:04:31,350 --> 00:04:28,760 lost our role of any kind of watchdog on 114 00:04:34,380 --> 00:04:31,360 what our federal government is doing and 115 00:04:36,490 --> 00:04:34,390 and then after passing legislation for 116 00:04:38,380 --> 00:04:36,500 whistleblower protection I was calling 117 00:04:41,290 --> 00:04:38,390 for congressional hearings on waste 118 00:04:44,050 --> 00:04:41,300 fraud criminal activity and what the 119 00:04:46,390 --> 00:04:44,060 hell the et issue so if there's military 120 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:46,400 contractors out there guys who've signed 121 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:47,570 secrecy oaths 122 00:04:51,610 --> 00:04:49,730 let's get Congress to eliminate them and 123 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:51,620 hold hearings on that too if nothing 124 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:52,970 else had Otto result in some interesting 125 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:55,970 TV ratings and I did that not as a true 126 00:05:01,270 --> 00:04:57,650 believer in UFOs I haven't had a 127 00:05:02,950 --> 00:05:01,280 sighting I don't buy 90% of what's out 128 00:05:04,270 --> 00:05:02,960 there I like John Alexander's book 129 00:05:07,780 --> 00:05:04,280 though if you want to catch up on the 130 00:05:09,250 --> 00:05:07,790 UFO issue UFOs miss realities and 131 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:09,260 conspiracies that I get that in the 132 00:05:14,430 --> 00:05:12,370 right order realities myths conspiracies 133 00:05:17,260 --> 00:05:14,440 conspiracies realities myths 134 00:05:20,290 --> 00:05:17,270 conspiracies myths realities UFOs 135 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:20,300 whatever it was general Alexander's book 136 00:05:25,570 --> 00:05:23,330 is fantastic get it and read it and try 137 00:05:28,390 --> 00:05:25,580 to remember the title better than I do I 138 00:05:33,570 --> 00:05:28,400 ran some radio ads this was fun see if I 139 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:33,580 can make it play Hey clicked on it it 140 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:40,510 don't were halfway all testified that 141 00:05:44,380 --> 00:05:42,710 the Pentagon had a lot I'm dr. Joe 142 00:05:47,020 --> 00:05:44,390 Bookman candidate for the United States 143 00:05:48,730 --> 00:05:47,030 Congress over the last 20 years the demo 144 00:05:50,950 --> 00:05:48,740 public rats have spent money like they 145 00:05:53,140 --> 00:05:50,960 owned the printing press run up an 11 146 00:05:56,020 --> 00:05:53,150 trillion dollar debt Donald Rumsfeld 147 00:05:58,150 --> 00:05:56,030 testified that the Pentagon had lost 2.3 148 00:06:00,040 --> 00:05:58,160 trillion of those dollars and Katherine 149 00:06:02,620 --> 00:06:00,050 Fitz testified that the HUD books were 150 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:02,630 inaudible it's time to end this cover-up 151 00:06:06,190 --> 00:06:04,910 of government waste fraud and war I 152 00:06:08,410 --> 00:06:06,200 joined with Governor Bill Richardson 153 00:06:10,270 --> 00:06:08,420 former White House chief of staff John 154 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:10,280 Podesta and others and call on Congress 155 00:06:14,020 --> 00:06:12,050 to pass legislation protecting 156 00:06:15,610 --> 00:06:14,030 whistleblowers and requiring full 157 00:06:17,770 --> 00:06:15,620 disclosure not only of what they know 158 00:06:19,030 --> 00:06:17,780 about government waste and fraud but 159 00:06:20,740 --> 00:06:19,040 also the disclosure of the 160 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:20,750 extra-terrestrial engagement of the 161 00:06:23,650 --> 00:06:22,610 people of the earth service to 162 00:06:25,420 --> 00:06:23,660 Washington this year 163 00:06:29,340 --> 00:06:25,430 that you want full transparency and 164 00:07:07,150 --> 00:06:29,350 disclosure as well learn more at 165 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:10,450 former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson 166 00:07:14,110 --> 00:07:12,710 two-term Republican down there and the 167 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:14,120 Democrat dominated the state of New 168 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:16,730 Mexico and then for beat VP a former 169 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:18,250 two-term Republican governor of 170 00:07:23,490 --> 00:07:21,650 Massachusetts bill weld who Romney has 171 00:07:25,510 --> 00:07:23,500 said a the libertarians have done good 172 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:25,520 nominating weld I look forward to 173 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:27,170 getting to know governor Johnson so the 174 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:28,610 libertarians have kind of sold their 175 00:07:34,150 --> 00:07:31,360 soul to some Liberty leaning Republicans 176 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:34,160 and you know if weld coughs up a lot of 177 00:07:38,140 --> 00:07:36,410 old Republican money we can make a run 178 00:07:40,060 --> 00:07:38,150 of it this year but a right back in 2008 179 00:07:42,150 --> 00:07:40,070 made it into the voter guide 180 00:07:44,350 --> 00:07:42,160 hit the front page of my hometown 181 00:07:46,270 --> 00:07:44,360 newspaper the park record in Park City 182 00:07:48,340 --> 00:07:46,280 Utah much to the dismay of my children 183 00:07:50,260 --> 00:07:48,350 who went to school later that day under 184 00:07:53,650 --> 00:07:50,270 the headline immigration taxes and 185 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:53,660 little green men candidate wants feds to 186 00:07:57,940 --> 00:07:55,730 reveal information about aliens Joe 187 00:07:59,050 --> 00:07:57,950 Bookmans campaign for Congress will 188 00:08:00,970 --> 00:07:59,060 address the typical fare for a 189 00:08:02,409 --> 00:08:00,980 libertarian immigration control 190 00:08:04,390 --> 00:08:02,419 eliminating taxes is downsizing 191 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:04,400 government then the political newcomer 192 00:08:09,540 --> 00:08:06,110 from Summit Park is running as an 193 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:09,550 outsider might move to little green men 194 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:12,410 so it was fun and I did that on purpose 195 00:08:15,580 --> 00:08:13,970 you know if you're gonna run as a third 196 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:15,590 party candidate you need something to 197 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:17,210 create a little viral interest and get 198 00:08:21,730 --> 00:08:19,490 people talking about you out of that I 199 00:08:23,350 --> 00:08:21,740 got noticed by Steve Bassett who is 200 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:23,360 running these X conferences in 201 00:08:27,970 --> 00:08:25,250 Washington DC did anyone else ever go to 202 00:08:29,710 --> 00:08:27,980 an X conference besides John and I and 203 00:08:31,930 --> 00:08:29,720 the other X conference veterans it's 204 00:08:34,060 --> 00:08:31,940 just the two of us apparently they were 205 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:34,070 nuts weren't they John John spoke there 206 00:08:36,940 --> 00:08:35,510 though what I remember of his 207 00:08:38,710 --> 00:08:36,950 presentation was he came out 208 00:08:41,380 --> 00:08:38,720 just as a men in black with the 209 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:41,390 sunglasses and at the nd he blinky thing 210 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:43,010 doll of us to forget what he had said 211 00:08:48,220 --> 00:08:46,160 but there I am on stage with a bunch of 212 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:48,230 crazy people Alfred Webber is right next 213 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:48,770 to me 214 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:50,690 Michael Salle is there and and my 215 00:08:54,340 --> 00:08:52,970 personal favorite Palolo harris but i 216 00:08:56,740 --> 00:08:54,350 write some interesting folks were there 217 00:08:59,260 --> 00:08:56,750 some highly credible like dr. alexander 218 00:09:02,890 --> 00:08:59,270 cv scott jones ed Mitchell was there 219 00:09:07,450 --> 00:09:02,900 Paul Hellyer was there as well and 220 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:07,460 others out of those X conferences once 221 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:11,050 the Obama administration put up there 222 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:14,210 We the People website Steve Bassett is 223 00:09:18,910 --> 00:09:17,210 the guy behind the X conference I got 224 00:09:20,380 --> 00:09:18,920 this petition up and got 5,000 225 00:09:22,450 --> 00:09:20,390 signatures so the White House promised 226 00:09:25,270 --> 00:09:22,460 they'd respond and they did and they 227 00:09:27,580 --> 00:09:25,280 responded with a statement that the US 228 00:09:30,370 --> 00:09:27,590 government has no evidence that any life 229 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:30,380 exists outside our planet or than an 230 00:09:33,970 --> 00:09:32,330 extraterrestrial presence has contacted 231 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:33,980 or engaged any member of the human race 232 00:09:39,580 --> 00:09:36,610 well I question that yeah I don't buy 233 00:09:41,950 --> 00:09:39,590 90% of the what occurs to me at least is 234 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:41,960 hooey that's in this field but I also 235 00:09:46,870 --> 00:09:43,850 think it's not credible to say there's 236 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:46,880 no evidence whatsoever so Bassett 237 00:09:52,030 --> 00:09:48,770 started using that response as a cudgel 238 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:52,040 and raising awareness around it and got 239 00:09:56,590 --> 00:09:55,310 a multi-millionaire in Canada who was 240 00:09:58,270 --> 00:09:56,600 going through a divorce and didn't want 241 00:10:02,050 --> 00:09:58,280 his ex-wife to get any money to give him 242 00:10:03,910 --> 00:10:02,060 a million $100,000 to fund the citizens 243 00:10:06,010 --> 00:10:03,920 hearing on disclosure was in hard silver 244 00:10:08,110 --> 00:10:06,020 and so they plan to spend the million 245 00:10:10,990 --> 00:10:08,120 won and silver tank they wind up with 246 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:11,000 about 700,000 spent 800,000 pulling off 247 00:10:14,470 --> 00:10:13,010 the event didn't have the final two to 248 00:10:17,020 --> 00:10:14,480 three hundred thousand they counted on 249 00:10:18,910 --> 00:10:17,030 to do the documentary based on the event 250 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:18,920 but we pulled off one one hell of an 251 00:10:22,660 --> 00:10:21,410 event it was one of the best weeks of my 252 00:10:25,210 --> 00:10:22,670 life I loved it 253 00:10:27,250 --> 00:10:25,220 Steve called me though about a month 254 00:10:28,780 --> 00:10:27,260 ahead of time he had organized all the 255 00:10:30,070 --> 00:10:28,790 witnesses and the venue and spent all 256 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:30,080 the money and forgot to invite any 257 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:33,530 members of Congress and city was gonna 258 00:10:37,990 --> 00:10:36,170 have to refund Clearwater's money and I 259 00:10:41,020 --> 00:10:38,000 said just give me 48 hours in those 48 260 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:41,030 hours I got Merrill Cook who had served 261 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:42,530 on the Science and Technology Committee 262 00:10:46,870 --> 00:10:44,810 and Mike Ravel to agree to serve and 263 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:46,880 Steve had gotten Carolyn to Kilpatrick 264 00:10:49,870 --> 00:10:47,990 but she didn't want her name announced 265 00:10:50,750 --> 00:10:49,880 until she had a couple of other people 266 00:10:52,820 --> 00:10:50,760 so we got those 267 00:10:53,930 --> 00:10:52,830 three then they announced the deal was 268 00:10:56,030 --> 00:10:53,940 on we're going to go ahead with the 269 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:56,040 program and it made it a little easier 270 00:10:59,810 --> 00:10:58,050 to recruit other retired members of 271 00:11:02,390 --> 00:10:59,820 Congress who then knew who their 272 00:11:04,190 --> 00:11:02,400 colleagues would be nobody wanted to go 273 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:04,200 first out of that group and we wound up 274 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:06,930 actually turning away a handful of 275 00:11:12,380 --> 00:11:10,110 people who who got in late we nailed it 276 00:11:16,450 --> 00:11:12,390 down with the five here on the left and 277 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:16,460 then I found roscoe Bartlett amazing guy 278 00:11:22,190 --> 00:11:19,710 had something like 20 patents with NASA 279 00:11:25,340 --> 00:11:22,200 before he ran for Congress in his 60s 280 00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:25,350 was in his 80s his political action 281 00:11:30,020 --> 00:11:27,600 committee was the every truth be told 282 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:30,030 political action committee so we added a 283 00:11:34,700 --> 00:11:31,770 sixth member which also bumped the 284 00:11:36,380 --> 00:11:34,710 budget a little bit out of control the 285 00:11:40,580 --> 00:11:36,390 citizens hearing was held me from April 286 00:11:42,590 --> 00:11:40,590 29th to May 3rd 2013 and we had 43 287 00:11:44,270 --> 00:11:42,600 witnesses from 10 different nations five 288 00:11:47,270 --> 00:11:44,280 representatives one former United States 289 00:11:48,770 --> 00:11:47,280 Senator it lasted five days it was in 290 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:48,780 the National Press Club main ballroom 291 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:51,930 cost about $800,000 to pull it off and 292 00:11:58,460 --> 00:11:53,850 we had 30 hours of testimony under oath 293 00:11:59,810 --> 00:11:58,470 all recorded on high-def video here are 294 00:12:04,490 --> 00:11:59,820 the witnesses you'll recognize of course 295 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:04,500 as a dr. Mitchell Colonel frenched 296 00:12:08,630 --> 00:12:06,810 proved to be problematic I could spend 297 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:08,640 time on him if I had more time but Kevin 298 00:12:13,090 --> 00:12:10,770 Randall pretty well dissected the 299 00:12:17,180 --> 00:12:13,100 Colonel's testimony and found a lot of 300 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:17,190 fraud there Paul Hellyer's testimony 301 00:12:21,470 --> 00:12:19,050 also a little sketchy because he was 302 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:21,480 reading from some books that he finds 303 00:12:27,260 --> 00:12:25,050 credible that that I would say Colonel 304 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:27,270 Alexander and I my question I think 305 00:12:30,950 --> 00:12:29,250 John's written some critiques of 306 00:12:32,870 --> 00:12:30,960 Hellyer's testimony and other venues as 307 00:12:34,670 --> 00:12:32,880 well these are some of the others were 308 00:12:38,210 --> 00:12:34,680 the one I'll focus on tonight is dr. 309 00:12:41,090 --> 00:12:38,220 Greer who you know set a record I think 310 00:12:42,590 --> 00:12:41,100 for online fundraising for the Sirius 311 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:42,600 movie they raise more money to produce 312 00:12:47,690 --> 00:12:43,860 this document how many people in here 313 00:12:49,370 --> 00:12:47,700 watch Sirius again so okay maybe 20% of 314 00:12:50,990 --> 00:12:49,380 the room are you aware there's another 315 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:51,000 movie now that he's raised a half a 316 00:12:58,460 --> 00:12:55,050 million dollars to produce called called 317 00:13:01,430 --> 00:12:58,470 oh heck undisclosed I think maybe 318 00:13:04,930 --> 00:13:01,440 something like that any rate so the guy 319 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:04,940 the guy was very successful at 320 00:13:09,380 --> 00:13:07,170 managing the finances of this Danny 321 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:09,390 Sheehan was both a witness and of 322 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:12,330 counsel to the committee and it was a 323 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:14,310 heck of a time here's an email I found I 324 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:15,690 thought revealed some of what I was 325 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:17,730 doing in recruiting these former members 326 00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:19,260 of Congress the purpose here is not to 327 00:13:22,850 --> 00:13:21,600 convince former members of Congress but 328 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:22,860 to put them in the position of doing 329 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:25,170 again kind of job they were elected to 330 00:13:29,900 --> 00:13:27,450 do and did to challenge the witnesses to 331 00:13:32,210 --> 00:13:29,910 test them in a refiners fire of a 332 00:13:35,900 --> 00:13:32,220 recreated correctional hearing and see 333 00:13:37,130 --> 00:13:35,910 how the evidence holds up will these 43 334 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:37,140 witnesses come there and embarrass 335 00:13:41,780 --> 00:13:39,570 themselves will they withstand the 336 00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:41,790 withering set of questions from six 337 00:13:47,540 --> 00:13:45,000 former members of Congress and what will 338 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:47,550 happen it was a dramatic week over the 339 00:13:50,990 --> 00:13:49,649 course of the week these six former 340 00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:51,000 members of Congress certainly got 341 00:13:55,820 --> 00:13:53,910 engaged in the issue there's what the 342 00:13:57,620 --> 00:13:55,830 ballroom looked like I couldn't find the 343 00:13:59,630 --> 00:13:57,630 color photo of this in last few days but 344 00:14:02,060 --> 00:13:59,640 you'll see there's me acting as 345 00:14:04,070 --> 00:14:02,070 moderator than the six former members of 346 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:04,080 Congress carolyn touka Patrick is here 347 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:06,089 Meryl Cook's chairing that day so it was 348 00:14:10,220 --> 00:14:08,490 Friday and there's Danny Sheehan and 349 00:14:14,030 --> 00:14:10,230 then the witness table was set here was 350 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:14,040 streamed live no expense spared on the 351 00:14:20,510 --> 00:14:17,760 setting congresswoman Huli had to leave 352 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:20,520 at noon on Friday her sister had died 353 00:14:24,980 --> 00:14:23,250 right before the event began and she 354 00:14:27,620 --> 00:14:24,990 came anyway but she left a little early 355 00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:27,630 on Friday and very generously the other 356 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:29,279 members of Congress allowed me to fill 357 00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:31,050 in for her so they're actually seven of 358 00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:33,600 us who got to ask questions of witnesses 359 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:36,480 mine was limited just to the last half 360 00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:39,450 of the last day after was over I began 361 00:14:43,940 --> 00:14:42,000 typing a transcript of the entire 30 362 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:43,950 hours I want to produce a congressional 363 00:14:49,340 --> 00:14:46,290 record like version a printed version 364 00:14:51,650 --> 00:14:49,350 kind of just for fun my contribution to 365 00:14:54,890 --> 00:14:51,660 history if you want whatever footnoted 366 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:54,900 annotated spell-checked whatever and as 367 00:15:01,190 --> 00:14:56,370 I was going through that by the time I 368 00:15:03,470 --> 00:15:01,200 got to the 29th of July so May June July 369 00:15:05,389 --> 00:15:03,480 so three months later I had noticed that 370 00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:05,399 dr. Greer had made this statement 371 00:15:10,699 --> 00:15:07,950 Admiral Moran who won the Emperor prize 372 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:10,709 it sound like Empire prize in France and 373 00:15:14,990 --> 00:15:13,410 as an MD as am I and also PhD physicist 374 00:15:16,439 --> 00:15:15,000 and was an advisor to President Sarkozy 375 00:15:18,599 --> 00:15:16,449 Wow what a guy 376 00:15:21,689 --> 00:15:18,609 has been meeting with us I know that's 377 00:15:23,009 --> 00:15:21,699 interesting so I go googling for ran and 378 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:23,019 I couldn't find him so I send on this 379 00:15:27,809 --> 00:15:24,850 email and say hey can you confirm the 380 00:15:29,549 --> 00:15:27,819 spelling and you wrote me back and said 381 00:15:31,979 --> 00:15:29,559 oh yeah it's the ampere prize not Empire 382 00:15:34,889 --> 00:15:31,989 and I believe it's Admiral Moran with an 383 00:15:36,809 --> 00:15:34,899 AI but I'll check my files and then he's 384 00:15:38,309 --> 00:15:36,819 never gotten back to me every six months 385 00:15:38,879 --> 00:15:38,319 or so I say hey dr. Greer if you checked 386 00:15:40,679 --> 00:15:38,889 your files 387 00:15:42,689 --> 00:15:40,689 hey dr. Greer hello still working on the 388 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:42,699 transcript dr. Greer here's everything 389 00:15:46,109 --> 00:15:44,649 you had to say you want to revise and 390 00:15:48,329 --> 00:15:46,119 extend your remarks and I've done that 391 00:15:49,679 --> 00:15:48,339 with many of the witnesses Nick Pope for 392 00:15:54,449 --> 00:15:49,689 example went through and changed a few 393 00:15:57,689 --> 00:15:54,459 things and nothing just silence so I've 394 00:15:59,039 --> 00:15:57,699 added this footnote no information has 395 00:16:01,739 --> 00:15:59,049 yet been found to verify and Admiral 396 00:16:04,829 --> 00:16:01,749 Moran PhD MD praise ampere recipient 397 00:16:06,599 --> 00:16:04,839 appears dr. Greer has conflated there 398 00:16:09,150 --> 00:16:06,609 was this group that sent a letter to 399 00:16:11,299 --> 00:16:09,160 President Sarkozy about UFOs and that's 400 00:16:14,129 --> 00:16:11,309 the closest I can come but none of them 401 00:16:16,679 --> 00:16:14,139 won the ampere prize but they kind of 402 00:16:18,269 --> 00:16:16,689 fit the md/phd physics whatever models I 403 00:16:20,429 --> 00:16:18,279 sent that off to dr. Greer here's what I 404 00:16:22,439 --> 00:16:20,439 think you did is it possible you had a 405 00:16:26,849 --> 00:16:22,449 memory issue you conflated something 406 00:16:28,769 --> 00:16:26,859 either Brian Williams of too old a joke 407 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:28,779 now Brian Williams conflating oh never 408 00:16:35,939 --> 00:16:33,910 mind and nothing well I got one reply 409 00:16:39,029 --> 00:16:35,949 from the exo Politics Institute which 410 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:39,039 silo runs Michael silo saying well there 411 00:16:43,289 --> 00:16:41,169 is this marin well he didn't win the 412 00:16:44,729 --> 00:16:43,299 ampere prize and he's not an admiral and 413 00:16:46,109 --> 00:16:44,739 he didn't advise President Sarkozy but 414 00:16:49,379 --> 00:16:46,119 he speaks French and he talked about 415 00:16:50,429 --> 00:16:49,389 UFOs maybe he just got confused nice 416 00:16:52,859 --> 00:16:50,439 well that's ridiculous 417 00:16:55,079 --> 00:16:52,869 this was testimony given under oath I 418 00:16:55,650 --> 00:16:55,089 know I had the role of administering the 419 00:16:57,689 --> 00:16:55,660 oath 420 00:16:59,460 --> 00:16:57,699 it was testimony given with weeks of 421 00:17:01,739 --> 00:16:59,470 preparation the witnesses were asked to 422 00:17:04,139 --> 00:17:01,749 submit their testimonies in writing 423 00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:04,149 ahead of time this wasn't a simple oh I 424 00:17:09,569 --> 00:17:05,860 got my names confused thing and if it 425 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:09,579 was why not just tell me so and he's 426 00:17:14,429 --> 00:17:12,850 never met with dr. Greer so and Brewer 427 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:14,439 made the statement twice then I got into 428 00:17:19,470 --> 00:17:16,480 transcribing the evening sessions just 429 00:17:21,419 --> 00:17:19,480 in the last year or so and dr. Greer 430 00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:21,429 said at an evening session not under 431 00:17:25,289 --> 00:17:23,529 oath ultimately I wound up meeting with 432 00:17:26,460 --> 00:17:25,299 so many people Gordon Cooper Admiral 433 00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:26,470 Moran of the French government who I 434 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:27,760 mentioned earlier day the list goes on 435 00:17:33,049 --> 00:17:29,370 and hundreds and hundreds 436 00:17:37,670 --> 00:17:33,059 of these sort of senior officials okay 437 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:37,680 really so I got a lot of blowback from 438 00:17:42,170 --> 00:17:39,690 my little footnote saying I think dr. 439 00:17:43,970 --> 00:17:42,180 Greer goofed here there are loyal almost 440 00:17:46,250 --> 00:17:43,980 religious like followers of this 441 00:17:48,500 --> 00:17:46,260 individual who think I'm part of the 442 00:17:51,530 --> 00:17:48,510 government cover-up and that Colonel 443 00:17:52,610 --> 00:17:51,540 Alexander Hillier murdered dr. Greer's 444 00:17:55,070 --> 00:17:52,620 assistant right 445 00:17:58,880 --> 00:17:55,080 that's the accusation this guy can throw 446 00:18:00,350 --> 00:17:58,890 out recklessly in writing so I wrote 447 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:00,360 back and said dr. Greer was apparently 448 00:18:03,410 --> 00:18:01,890 free to accuse another researcher being 449 00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:03,420 a multiple murderer and of attempted 450 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:05,520 murder with impunity any attempt to 451 00:18:09,020 --> 00:18:07,290 verify statements made by dr. Greer at 452 00:18:10,790 --> 00:18:09,030 least in my experience are categorized 453 00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:10,800 as attacks on the love and light he 454 00:18:15,169 --> 00:18:12,840 represents can I call this the other 455 00:18:18,169 --> 00:18:15,179 that it is there's clearly no 456 00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:18,179 Moran nope recipient of the prize ampere 457 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:20,160 it was a simple mistake of fact I 458 00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:22,650 correct it perhaps he misremembered but 459 00:18:26,330 --> 00:18:24,780 I've given him the opportunity and he 460 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:26,340 hasn't so I'm a little short on time 461 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:28,290 I'll go quickly really interestingly 462 00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:31,290 after these hearings John Podesta sent 463 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:33,510 out this tweet last year it had been 464 00:18:38,090 --> 00:18:35,250 working with the Obama administration 465 00:18:40,790 --> 00:18:38,100 and tweeted out after he was finished 466 00:18:42,350 --> 00:18:40,800 finally my biggest failure of 2014 once 467 00:18:43,220 --> 00:18:42,360 again not seeing the disclosure of the 468 00:18:44,900 --> 00:18:43,230 UFO FILES 469 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:44,910 I think it's absolutely extraordinary 470 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:47,370 that the current chairman of the Hillary 471 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:49,770 Clinton for president campaign would put 472 00:18:54,260 --> 00:18:52,410 out that kind of a tweet we've a little 473 00:18:56,210 --> 00:18:54,270 bit of news coverage has happened after 474 00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:56,220 these after the citizens hearing Steve 475 00:18:59,419 --> 00:18:58,080 Bassett would say that's because of the 476 00:19:02,270 --> 00:18:59,429 hearings and the ground it opened I 477 00:19:05,450 --> 00:19:02,280 think that has some credibility to it 478 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:05,460 in 1995 Hillary Clinton didn't meet with 479 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:07,770 Laurance Rockefeller a billionaire they 480 00:19:11,930 --> 00:19:09,690 were engaging the et issue the past a 481 00:19:13,970 --> 00:19:11,940 billionaire Bassett said no coverage I 482 00:19:15,290 --> 00:19:13,980 can make the case that we'll have 483 00:19:18,169 --> 00:19:15,300 disclosure before the New Hampshire 484 00:19:20,620 --> 00:19:18,179 primaries then that December article 485 00:19:22,610 --> 00:19:20,630 there's Hillary with the book about 486 00:19:24,290 --> 00:19:22,620 extraterrestrials which you may have 487 00:19:26,510 --> 00:19:24,300 seen if not check out the Rockefeller 488 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:26,520 initiative discussion you find on the 489 00:19:30,410 --> 00:19:28,290 Internet and I got quoted in the article 490 00:19:31,940 --> 00:19:30,420 even Bassets closest supporters 491 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:31,950 expressed doubt about how close we are 492 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:34,290 to the truth quote he's one of the most 493 00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:36,330 overly optimistic people I've ever met 494 00:19:40,790 --> 00:19:38,160 said Joseph Bookman a fellow true 495 00:19:42,269 --> 00:19:40,800 believer so how am i both a true 496 00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:42,279 believer and calling 497 00:19:46,379 --> 00:19:44,559 overly optimistic in the same sentence I 498 00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:46,389 find it endearing but I don't know if 499 00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:47,919 it's quite as close to happening as he 500 00:19:51,899 --> 00:19:50,080 thinks it is I still feel that way about 501 00:19:54,029 --> 00:19:51,909 Steve I talked to Steve just a couple of 502 00:19:55,469 --> 00:19:54,039 days ago he has no problem with my 503 00:19:57,239 --> 00:19:55,479 saying this kind of stuff he says if 504 00:19:59,729 --> 00:19:57,249 you're going to be a lobbyist you've got 505 00:20:03,389 --> 00:19:59,739 to be overly optimistic the SETI 506 00:20:04,709 --> 00:20:03,399 Institute does a is that my time or I 507 00:20:06,330 --> 00:20:04,719 have a minute left give me one more 508 00:20:09,539 --> 00:20:06,340 minute and then I'll go to questions 509 00:20:11,879 --> 00:20:09,549 SETI runs a biannual conference called 510 00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:11,889 contact cultures of the imagination 511 00:20:16,109 --> 00:20:14,080 I presented there two years ago that 512 00:20:18,209 --> 00:20:16,119 Seth Shostak and I he does have a sense 513 00:20:20,659 --> 00:20:18,219 of humor about this issue there's a 514 00:20:23,609 --> 00:20:20,669 Frank Drake and Bilborough key of Kepler 515 00:20:25,469 --> 00:20:23,619 incredible people they attended that 516 00:20:26,579 --> 00:20:25,479 presentation listen to it politely these 517 00:20:28,619 --> 00:20:26,589 are people who are interested in this 518 00:20:30,329 --> 00:20:28,629 they find virtually all of what's out 519 00:20:32,519 --> 00:20:30,339 there not credible 520 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:32,529 Burning Man was mentioned earlier with 521 00:20:36,029 --> 00:20:34,089 the Dean Radin random number stuff 522 00:20:38,249 --> 00:20:36,039 presented there they did put the man on 523 00:20:40,469 --> 00:20:38,259 top of a flying saucer a couple of years 524 00:20:43,529 --> 00:20:40,479 ago I'll skip over the New York Times 525 00:20:45,180 --> 00:20:43,539 thing that was Colliers with dr. Seuss's 526 00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,190 prayer for child which is kind of cool 527 00:20:49,019 --> 00:20:47,440 but there's my email if you have any 528 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:49,029 suggestions about how to improve the 529 00:20:54,389 --> 00:20:52,450 Congressional Record like transcript I'm 530 00:20:55,769 --> 00:20:54,399 creating of this 30 hours of testimony 531 00:21:02,620 --> 00:20:55,779 the citizens hearing I'd love for you to 532 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:06,010 thank you for disclosing the political 533 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:13,730 side of UFOs and we have questions when 534 00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:19,730 I consider what I'm aware of of the UFO 535 00:21:25,420 --> 00:21:23,120 disclosure and alleged cover-up and so 536 00:21:27,970 --> 00:21:25,430 forth I find that I keep returning to 537 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:27,980 the thought that if if the United States 538 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:31,490 government does not in fact have any new 539 00:21:36,420 --> 00:21:34,610 UFO FILES because they are not now and 540 00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:36,430 never have been in contact with 541 00:21:42,490 --> 00:21:39,440 extraterrestrials and do not now and 542 00:21:44,380 --> 00:21:42,500 have not ever had any evidence that 543 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:44,390 their investigators considered credible 544 00:21:49,740 --> 00:21:47,690 about extraterrestrial spacecraft there 545 00:21:53,220 --> 00:21:49,750 is nothing they could possibly do to 546 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:53,230 persuade the UFO community otherwise and 547 00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,050 I have to confess to a suspicion that 548 00:22:01,740 --> 00:21:59,600 all of the leaked documents that have 549 00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:01,750 been referred to are actually a 550 00:22:07,540 --> 00:22:04,400 disinformation campaign by the 551 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:07,550 government to try to get these excited 552 00:22:12,850 --> 00:22:10,850 hobbyists chasing a non-existent figment 553 00:22:15,010 --> 00:22:12,860 rather than possibly uncovering real 554 00:22:18,130 --> 00:22:15,020 secret projects I wonder if you would 555 00:22:23,610 --> 00:22:18,140 like to comment on this you know as a 556 00:22:29,860 --> 00:22:27,160 you know cynic 557 00:22:33,010 --> 00:22:29,870 regarding our our government which is by 558 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:33,020 the way largely not only dysfunctional 559 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:35,570 and wasteful but I think even evil in 560 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:37,370 the same sense that Ronald Reagan called 561 00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,770 the Soviet Union evil you know that's 562 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:41,600 part projection we're not that different 563 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:44,090 in a lot of respects I'm sure our 564 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:47,330 government gauges in disinformation all 565 00:22:52,150 --> 00:22:50,090 of them do their purposes largely to get 566 00:22:53,650 --> 00:22:52,160 reelected and increased power and to the 567 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:53,660 degree that shutting out this 568 00:23:01,860 --> 00:22:56,330 information this was that I'm sure they 569 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:01,870 do it that said Gordon Cooper you know 570 00:23:08,110 --> 00:23:04,490 last American to orbit the earth alone 571 00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:08,120 on faith 7 in his book a leap of faith 572 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:10,310 talks about what he witnessed at Edwards 573 00:23:14,830 --> 00:23:12,410 so how do you have an American hero of 574 00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:14,840 Gordon Cooper's credibility talk about a 575 00:23:19,299 --> 00:23:16,100 lenticular shaped 576 00:23:22,090 --> 00:23:19,309 craft you know being filmed with missile 577 00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,100 tests or about the Foo Fighters that he 578 00:23:28,510 --> 00:23:24,320 witnessed during World War two what was 579 00:23:31,210 --> 00:23:28,520 what was that about there are a handful 580 00:23:34,570 --> 00:23:31,220 of very interesting very credible cases 581 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:34,580 that I'd suggest you look at and a good 582 00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:36,530 place to start is Colonel Alexander's 583 00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,710 book the first sentence of which is UFOs 584 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:41,600 are real and then if I recall the next 585 00:23:46,060 --> 00:23:43,970 paragraph is something like we have high 586 00:23:49,090 --> 00:23:46,070 credible military witnesses with radar 587 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:49,100 returns and gun camera film in multiple 588 00:23:54,010 --> 00:23:51,770 nations that show non human created 589 00:23:56,110 --> 00:23:54,020 technology in our skies and then the 590 00:23:59,220 --> 00:23:56,120 last of John's book which I'll continue 591 00:24:01,480 --> 00:23:59,230 to promote is that that ET hypothesis of 592 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:01,490 biological life and a souped-up Corvette 593 00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:04,010 getting here somehow isn't sufficient to 594 00:24:07,930 --> 00:24:05,600 cover all the data there's more going on 595 00:24:09,810 --> 00:24:07,940 it's transdimensional it's and I'll let 596 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:09,820 Colonel Alexander take over from there 597 00:24:15,940 --> 00:24:12,370 well let me finish the last paragraph 598 00:24:18,159 --> 00:24:15,950 because basically it says in a it starts 599 00:24:20,919 --> 00:24:18,169 out whatever you know UFOs are real at 600 00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:20,929 some level and whatever this is it is 601 00:24:26,740 --> 00:24:23,510 more complex than anything we have 602 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:26,750 imagined or possibly could imagine which 603 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:28,970 was not what I want to talk about I what 604 00:24:32,830 --> 00:24:30,650 I wanted to just mention is 605 00:24:35,230 --> 00:24:32,840 congressional hearings because I think 606 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:35,240 there's a huge misconception on what 607 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:37,850 we're talking about this was five days 608 00:24:43,090 --> 00:24:40,250 obviously not congressmen on the Left I 609 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:43,100 had getting ready for a presentation I 610 00:24:47,770 --> 00:24:45,470 picked a day in which Congress was in 611 00:24:51,399 --> 00:24:47,780 session and looked at the number and 612 00:24:54,430 --> 00:24:51,409 there were 17 hearings that day if you 613 00:24:57,820 --> 00:24:54,440 got five hours let alone five days that 614 00:25:00,430 --> 00:24:57,830 would be a lot and absolutely nothing 615 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:00,440 came out of any of them so this idea 616 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:02,210 that you're gonna have these mystical 617 00:25:05,470 --> 00:25:04,130 hearings of the world's gonna change is 618 00:25:07,870 --> 00:25:05,480 just not reality 619 00:25:09,159 --> 00:25:07,880 you sound like senator Gravelle I should 620 00:25:10,750 --> 00:25:09,169 go back and look at what he said which 621 00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:10,760 is calling for Congress to investigate 622 00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:14,510 this isn't worth a bucket of spit talk 623 00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:16,190 to Mike right after the they had done 624 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:18,260 that too right oh yeah and Gravelle was 625 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:19,970 on fire during the hearings if you 626 00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,010 haven't watched the citizens hearing you 627 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:24,799 know some of it is is just incredible on 628 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:27,110 television and I do look for it I do 629 00:25:30,460 --> 00:25:28,130 hope they managed 630 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:30,470 into some kind of 90-minute to two-hour 631 00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:32,930 documentary all that's on hold they ran 632 00:25:36,790 --> 00:25:35,240 out of money they're all unclear on 633 00:25:38,290 --> 00:25:36,800 who's got the rights or where they're 634 00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:38,300 gonna go next with the theatrical 635 00:25:42,550 --> 00:25:40,640 version yes sir well I got a comments 636 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:42,560 not not so much a question but we it's 637 00:25:45,820 --> 00:25:44,330 interesting you bring up politics the 638 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:45,830 politics dimension of this and there 639 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:48,170 some people may might remember that 640 00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:51,050 there have been actual congressional 641 00:25:57,490 --> 00:25:52,310 hearings that have been done on this 642 00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,500 going back to 1968 1967 938 67 68 I was 643 00:26:00,040 --> 00:25:59,600 the last last hearings and it was just a 644 00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:00,050 day 645 00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:02,270 and Stanton Friedman he's submitted 646 00:26:07,690 --> 00:26:04,070 testimony in writing but he wasn't there 647 00:26:10,420 --> 00:26:07,700 in person at all and it be the right 648 00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:10,430 thing I to see some of the the recorded 649 00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,110 testimony of the congressmen that were 650 00:26:16,530 --> 00:26:14,240 doing the questioning I think well you 651 00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:16,540 can find and I purchased on eBay the 652 00:26:22,540 --> 00:26:19,880 Government Printing Office record of 653 00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:22,550 those hearings yeah I think it was 67 654 00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:24,260 that's what I'm using as a model for the 655 00:26:28,030 --> 00:26:26,000 work I'm doing on this today I believe 656 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:28,040 that's sprung in part out of Project 657 00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,710 Blue Book some sightings in Michigan and 658 00:26:34,030 --> 00:26:32,960 well Gerald Ford as a representative 659 00:26:35,860 --> 00:26:34,040 from Michigan was calling for 660 00:26:37,780 --> 00:26:35,870 congressional hearings and then he meant 661 00:26:39,820 --> 00:26:37,790 never mentioned the word UFO or aliens 662 00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:39,830 or ETS once he was president shut up 663 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:45,670 hey Joe well I just want to thank you 664 00:26:50,290 --> 00:26:47,930 for putting on a great event there I was 665 00:26:52,750 --> 00:26:50,300 there for it and I thought it was just 666 00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:52,760 the most amazing thing you know Bob wood 667 00:26:56,590 --> 00:26:54,110 was there who's here at the conference 668 00:27:00,250 --> 00:26:56,600 right remember he testified to us that 669 00:27:02,140 --> 00:27:00,260 as a mcdonnell-douglas career employee 670 00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:02,150 that they were always attempting to find 671 00:27:05,010 --> 00:27:03,710 the propulsion systems if you think this 672 00:27:07,150 --> 00:27:05,020 is a figment of someone's imagination 673 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:07,160 McDonnell Douglas spent a lot of time 674 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:09,110 and energy trying to find out if they 675 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:10,610 could reverse-engineer the propulsion 676 00:27:14,650 --> 00:27:12,890 systems of UFOs and they never figured 677 00:27:16,450 --> 00:27:14,660 it out that doesn't mean someone hasn't 678 00:27:17,890 --> 00:27:16,460 figured it out but they did but you know 679 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:17,900 what I'm wondering is what's it going to 680 00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:19,850 take for our media to take this more 681 00:27:23,550 --> 00:27:22,520 seriously i sat in the media section and 682 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:23,560 I talked to the New York Times 683 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:26,810 photographer he said to us this is the 684 00:27:31,780 --> 00:27:29,810 best material I've ever seen I can't get 685 00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:31,790 them to send anyone down from New York 686 00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:34,190 to cover it and then the two Washington 687 00:27:40,420 --> 00:27:38,060 Post reporters concluded that belief in 688 00:27:42,010 --> 00:27:40,430 UFOs was a schizo tipple mental disorder 689 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:42,020 yeah they put the pictures 690 00:27:44,890 --> 00:27:43,490 the people wearing crystals on the front 691 00:27:47,950 --> 00:27:44,900 of New York Times they were just there 692 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:47,960 as observers but why are they witnesses 693 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:49,730 what's what's wrong with them that they 694 00:27:55,450 --> 00:27:52,250 can't even cover it you know other 695 00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,460 countries do you know so hey I don't 696 00:27:58,060 --> 00:27:57,200 know the conspiratorial list will tell 697 00:28:00,610 --> 00:27:58,070 you it's a vast 698 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:00,620 right and left wing combined conspiracy 699 00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,570 - stop it - go back to your first 700 00:28:06,850 --> 00:28:04,640 question I would I would say also if 701 00:28:08,380 --> 00:28:06,860 they have some evidence and I do suspect 702 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:08,390 they do I suspect there's gun camera 703 00:28:12,460 --> 00:28:10,970 footage I think the film that the Gordon 704 00:28:14,020 --> 00:28:12,470 Cooper talks about that he says he 705 00:28:16,030 --> 00:28:14,030 shipped back to DC that never showed up 706 00:28:17,290 --> 00:28:16,040 in the Blue Book report saying that that 707 00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,300 some of this stuff is in a vault 708 00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:20,480 somewhere or whatnot I believe that I 709 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:22,190 think there's credible evidence of that 710 00:28:26,860 --> 00:28:24,380 I think one of the reasons they may not 711 00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:26,870 disclose that is it just opens a can of 712 00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:28,310 worms the stuff they don't know anything 713 00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:29,990 about I don't I'm sure they don't have 714 00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:32,270 all the answers I'm sure that if we were 715 00:28:35,770 --> 00:28:33,440 to have the president come out and say 716 00:28:37,180 --> 00:28:35,780 hey extraterrestrial craft is here some 717 00:28:39,340 --> 00:28:37,190 of these witnesses are fully credible 718 00:28:41,710 --> 00:28:39,350 here's the evidence we have it's going 719 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:41,720 to open a trillion questions that we 720 00:28:45,550 --> 00:28:43,850 don't have the answers to and be even 721 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:45,560 worse we think we don't know what we 722 00:28:48,490 --> 00:28:46,490 want to know now 723 00:28:51,070 --> 00:28:48,500 but once that occurs it's going to be 724 00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,080 like that times 10,000 on the other hand 725 00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:53,120 I'd hope if humanity gets to a place 726 00:28:57,130 --> 00:28:54,620 where we know we're not alone in the 727 00:28:59,380 --> 00:28:57,140 universe but there is life out there 728 00:29:02,440 --> 00:28:59,390 that's curious and relatively benign - 729 00:29:04,750 --> 00:29:02,450 benevolent that's here maybe we'd become 730 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:04,760 humans on earth and stop fighting over 731 00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,010 our geographic territorial issues or 732 00:29:11,050 --> 00:29:09,440 resources and and unite in a way that 733 00:29:13,390 --> 00:29:11,060 would be a good thing so I'd kind of 734 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:13,400 like to see that day come anyway but